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Interview About Transfer Station

Sen Fawghourne      This is the first in a sequence of weekly interviews with Senator Beauregard Fawghourne, West Chicago's leading advocate in national politics. Senator Fawghourne agreed to do the interview by telephone from his office in the basement of the Dirksen Building behind the heating equipment with easy access to his aids, researchers, and the Library of Congress.




Sen. Fawghourne:



I appreciate the opportunity to talk to the folks back home.  Actually my schedule is not that tight.  Most congressmen spend a lot of time going to fancy dinners and collecting campaign contributions.  I DO take time off to stop by to play with the puppies in the pet store in the mall, but once you free yourself of pandering to potential contributors, you find you have time to have a very normal life plus time to listen to voters without envelopes full of money. 


WegoWeb:



As you know, Senator, West Chicago is fighting a siting of a second waste transfer site on Powis Road.  What is your position on this?


Sen. Fawghourne:



Hoving, the company requesting to use the land for the garbage facility has a tough list of requirements that they must prove that they meet.  The first thing that the Hoving Company has to prove is that the area needs a transfer site.  That would be very easy to do in a populous area with no existing transfer facility, like the southern or eastern parts of DuPage County.  It is much harder for an area like Powis Road.


WegoWeb:



Is this the "needs assessment" that was discussed during the hearings in July and August?


Sen. Fawghourne:



Hoving must show that the amount of garbage generated exceeds the amount of garbage that can be processed by the existing facility. 


WegoWeb:



The existing facility, the Groot Transfer Site, takes in around 1600 to 1900 tons per day.  They are licensed to take up to 3000 tons in a single day, as long as their average is below 2500 tons per day for the entire year.  This sounds like we don't need the additional transfer station.


Sen. Fawghourne:



I would agree with you, but that is not how it is usually done.  Hoving added up all the garbage deposited in dumps serviced by the six county metropolitan area and transformed that to 7.7 pounds of garbage per day for every man, woman, and child in Chicagoland.


WegoWeb:



Whoah, Big Guy!  I have a family of four.  8 pounds x 4 people x 7 days per week is 224 pounds of garbage per week.  I put out one or two garbage cans each Wednesday.  No way is it over 200 pounds.


Sen. Fawghourne:



I know, I know, I know.  Kane County requires, by law, that records on its garbage be reported.  They are widely known to generate only 5.5 pounds per capita.  DuPage County thinks their number is 6.9 and Kowalski, Hoving's expert witness, used 6.7 for DuPage County when siting a transfer site near Joliet, a mere 30 days before he decided that he liked the higher 7.7 for DuPage.


WegoWeb:



So how much garbage from the area has to be transferred?


Sen. Fawghourne:



Hoving contends that the current number is 5,478 tons per day.  They say this grows to 6,578 in 2025.  Even with a rate of 6.9 ppc, this number only goes down to 4,909 tons per day. 


WegoWeb:



That is about double the capacity of our existing transfer site.  Does this mean that we truly need this transfer site?


Sen. Fawghourne:



Not necessarily.  There are other transfer sites around the borders of DuPage and these also count.  However, how much of their capacity is used for DuPage County garbage is up for debate.  In the end, one expert states his credentials and says it is needed and the other expert says his credentials and says that it is not.  Can I have my my science advisor, Albert Neinstein, the nation's leading expert on the future of Amish scientific and technological advances, explain something to you?


WegoWeb:



Certainly, we are always looking for the best information available.


Sen. Fawghourne:



Bert, come in here.  This is a reporter from Wego Web.  He is interested in the need for a new tranfer site near Wayne, St Charles, and West Chicago in unincorporated DuPage County.


WegoWeb:



Hi, can I call you Bert?


Bert Neinstein:



Ahhhh!  How can you let them get away with that? 


WegoWeb:



Get away with what?


Bert Neinstein:



The applicant, defines the "service area" of their site by a centroid, the southwest corner of Wayne Township, and an a "cost effective radius" of 12 miles for packer and roll off trucks, types of garbage collection trucks.  In their application (page 1-23) they say "Although there are a significant number of transfer stations is Cook County, all of those facilities are located more than 12 miles from the centroid of the proposed West DuPage service area."  In testimony, Kowalski, their expert witness even referred to them as even if within 12 miles as the crow flies, not within 12 miles on the roads.  Yet you allow them to use population from Plato township, 20 tons per day to establish the amount of garbage that has to be transferred.


WegoWeb:



Are there any other such areas?


Bert Neinstein:



Yes, Sugar Grove (53 tons per day according to Appendix H, WDR&T00781), Schaumburg (659 tpd), and Lisle (583 tpd) Townships.  Those four townships closest points are all 6 miles north or south and and 6 miles east or west from the applicant's centroid.  (see a map of the area)  Using the applicant's own 12 mile cost effective radius, that totals 1325 tons per day that could not be cost effectively hauled to their transfer site.


WegoWeb:



Now that is significant.  That's more garbage than they are hoping to process at their proposed site.


Bert Neinstein:



It gets worse.  There are 8 townships that only half meet the applicant's 12 mile criteria, Elgin (435 tpd), Campton (74 tpd), Blackberry (150 tpd), Aurora (576 tpd), Naperville (431 tpd), Milton (591 tpd), Bloomingdale (554 tpd) and Hanover (429 tpd).  This is 3240 tons per day.  Since only half of each of these townships is in the service area, estimating that only half of their garbage would go to the proposed transfer site is more reasonable than estimating that it all would.  This reduces the need by an additional 1620 tons per day.


WegoWeb:



Wow!  If you take the applicant's estimate of 5,478 tons per day, and subtract the 1325 tons per day from townships completely more than 12 miles away and then subtract the 1620 tons per day from the townships that are only half within their own 12 mile limit, then they can demonstrate only 2533 tons per day. 


Bert Neinstein:



Don't forget how they sexed up the 7.7 pounds per capita.  If you use the 5.5 pounds per capita on the garbage from Kane County, you come in easily under the 2500 tons per day that the DuKane site is, without dispute, licensed for.  The bottom line is the additional site is not needed, and failing on that criteria, should not be permitted.


WegoWeb:



Senator, thank you.  Your assistance has been very helpful. 


Sen. Fawghourne:



Well, just remember to say something nice the next time that someone complains that government doesn't do anything for the common citizen.


WegoWeb:



Thank you for your time, sir.


Sen. Fawghourne:



You are welcome.

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